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Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan  

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As I continue going thru old VHS tapes from the 1980's I find some things that I cannot identify, so I will start a series of "Mystery clips" and see if the usual experts can identify the names of these shows or movies or actors.

The first clip comes from a late 50's or early 60's western tv series. The actors are not famous and there are some bad cuts and lack of continuity at the beginning, so if anybody can identify this show then I will seek a more complete version.

The second scene is from a mid 1920's silent film. I do not recognize the actors, but it appears to be a south sea island/jungle themed movie from that era. UPDATE: A vintage wetlook expert has identified this scene as Dorothy Janis, dunked in the lagoon in her dress and black tights by Ramon Novarro in the 1929 film "The Pagan".




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Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
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Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
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Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
Mystery cowboy western, The Pagan
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The setting looks like what you might see in "Death Valley Days", which (among other shows) used a rotating cast of lesser known actors, but it's pretty hard to say without more to go on. The only real clue here is he refers to her as "Miss Hanes". The actor at the very beginning looks familiar, but I still haven't identified him.
by waterspaniel at 12th June, 2011
That certainly makes sense to me, cos the era is a correct and it looks like a tv series and not a movie, cos these are tv actors and not famous movie stars. This would then be a real "needle in a haystack" to find then, cos this series was the 2nd longest tv western series of all time (18 seasons and 452 episodes), second only to Gunsmoke (which had 20 seasons and 635 episodes) with Bonanza coming in 3rd place (with 14 seasons and 431 episodes).
by wamtec at 12th June, 2011
The girl looks a bit like Angie Dickinson did in the late 50's (as a brunette), but I don't think it is Angie.
by wamtec at 12th June, 2011
I think her nose is a bit big to be Angie. The actor at the very beginning resembles Fess Parker, but I couldn't swear to it. But he did have a couple of D.V. Days appearances.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0556676/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0556816/
by waterspaniel at 12th June, 2011
The guy in the first scene looks familiar to me too... Pretty sure I've seen him in later supporting/character roles (looking somewhat older)... just can't think of where.
by AnthonyX at 12th June, 2011
That is not Fess Parker. Whomever he is, he must have been a boxer or a football player before he became an actor, cos he has an entire full set of false teeth that display a massive overbite. Don't rule out other western shows of that era too....e.g this might also be an episode of "Rawhide" or "Wagon Train" too.
by wamtec at 13th June, 2011
I'm talking about the guy at the very beginning of the clip, during the first couple of seconds, who appears just before they cut to the pond scene.
by waterspaniel at 13th June, 2011
No...thats the same guy you see in the beginning as you see in the pond scene....it was a bad edit on my old VHS tape...but it is definitely the same guy at the beginning who is later in the pond scene...so it's not Fess Parker.
by wamtec at 13th June, 2011
Ah, that clears that up. It's definitely not Fess Parker.
by waterspaniel at 13th June, 2011
Well...I have come "close" to what seems to look like the same teeth...ha ha...cos the actor's teeth reminded me a bit of "Festus" on Gunsmoke...i.e. Ken Curtis...and while he always looked skinny and scruffy....look at this pic of Ken Curtis and see how the teeth look similar to the guy in the videoclip...

http://www.tvland.com/shows/gunsmoke/bios/ken-curtis

Ken Curtis only ever appeared in one episode of Death Valley Days...in a 1964 episode called Graydon's Charge..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0556627/

and the actress in that episode was Cathy Lewis...and here is a pic of Cathy, and she does look a little similar to the girl in this clip...

http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&dir=n&Au...

But I am not 100% sure...cos Ken Curtis was a skinny man and this guy looks more beefy...and the girl looks similar to Cathy Lewis...but is not a clear match for me. I guess I would never get a job working for the FBI....ha ha.
by wamtec at 13th June, 2011
Found the episode in question (Graydon's Charge) on Youtube (two parts); I don't think this is a match... see for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTZCHTtMPd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8Zu1_Jp9k
by AnthonyX at 13th June, 2011
Well then....it looks like I know what my wife can buy me for Xmas then, cos there are sites that sell the complete series of Death Valley Days as a boxed set of 46 dvds (all 550+ episodes from 1952 to 1972) for $99....so my wife can order that for me and that will give me a lot of fun browsing thru those 550 episodes this Xmas.
by wamtec at 14th June, 2011
Well that certainly would be a full time hobby for awhile. You would also no doubt come across the Mariette Hartley wet scene.
by waterspaniel at 14th June, 2011
Well.....it might clear up a source of confusion or error in my database....cos I "have" that Mariette Hartley scene already but I listed it on one tape as a scene from "Gunsmoke" and on another tape I think I listed the same scene as coming from "Death Valley Days"...and I am not sure which one is correct, cos she appeared in both series. The scene I have is a color scene where she wades into the river in a blue dress...as I recall I think her baby floated down river in a basket or something like that.
by wamtec at 14th June, 2011
It was a very long time ago that I saw it, on a small screen black and white TV. But I'm 99% positive it was D.V.D., for the time of evening and day of the week, that was its air time. I don't recall all the fine details, actually I was just walking past the TV, but I remember her being rescued from the river and the scene ending with her lying on the river bank in her wet dress. But I'm positive it was D.V.D. (not that I'm ever wrong or anything). I never did get the chance to actually record the scene.
by waterspaniel at 14th June, 2011

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